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bluemoonNew Membermember is offline
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What is the love for egyptian men?« Thread Started on Aug 14, 2004, 2:47pm »
We know that all love story with egyptian men are bad, we are so stupid because always there is always some girl that it falls in their hand....I ask me : what is love for egyptian men?exist love for egyptian men?why egyptian men play with foreigner girls?I hope we will be in much girls to speak on this, to tell our experience, bad or beautifull.
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Re: What is the love for egyptian men?« Reply #1 on Aug 24, 2004, 4:42am »
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Re: What is the love for egyptian men?« Reply #2 on Aug 27, 2004, 3:35am »
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Just to point out that not all Love with Egyptian Men is bad as you have put it !!I am an Egyptian Man and here is what love means for REAL EGYPTIAN MEN:respect their wife love their wife adore their wife admire their wife share happy moments with their wife do everything possible to help their wife have fun with their wife treat their wife like a goddess be honest with their wife help with the house work cook a great meal for their wife take their wife out for a fantastic romantic evening as often as possible treat their wife as a best friend accept their wife as she is and not something they want her to be try to make all her dreams come true make sure she never goes needing anything they can't provide for her honour her and cherish every moment together with their wife do things together as one understand their wife try to make things better for their wife understand that freedom is not granted to their wife by them and that it is not to be hindered feel an extra heartbeat when they put a smile on their wife's face make every day a wedding anniversary for their wife ...And That my friend is what "Love Is For Egyptian Men" Please Don't Say all love stories with Egyptian men are bad !!!Yeah, yeah ! This is what they tell us each time they wanna make a sweet talk.
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Re: What is the love for egyptian men?« Reply #3 on Aug 27, 2004, 9:31am »
oh please!!! and this is after you have slept with a european women right!!
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Re: What is the love for egyptian men?« Reply #4 on Aug 28, 2004, 9:26am »
ok hi everyone, my name is anna, half egyptian half english! and i am new here, found your site by just clicking links!!!Firstly, u girls, how can you be so stereotyping, u r only commenting on egyptian men, what about men from your countries, you cannot just stereotype like that, "egyptian men this egyptian men that" for crying out loud. i hate you type of women, just basing a bad man by nationality! and i think you need to know this, because obviously you dont!!! Right: there is good and bad in every country, i can say that english men are disgusting and they treat their women like nutse but then that would just be stereotyping wouldnt it!!!anyway, mayb am wastin my breathe here, i think u people r jus sad and lonely! mayb u get treated the way u do for being the way u r
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Re: What is the love for egyptian men?« Reply #5 on Aug 28, 2004, 10:13am »
the site is egytian forum.......for women having probs with egyptian men..........nothing about other countries at all.........just our experience with eygptian men .not hard to see what its about..........derrrrrrrrrrr..............it is good to express bad experiences with a man or men no matter what country ..............and as far as ur statement about we women taken these men away from their families!!! wow very broad statement when the man is telling the lies................not only is he decieving his family and us but himself as well..............but thank u for ur words of wisdom...............
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Re: What is the love for egyptian men?« Reply #6 on Sept 21, 2004, 3:03am »
TEXTHello !!I had an internet LOVER for over 2 yrs. He talked with me as much as he possibly could,on net and by telephone. This man,very much younger than I,was Egyptian and a gorgeous looking one,at that.Said just about everything and all you'd want a man to say,but, he was not only an Egyptian man, HE..was and still is,my one and only Egyptian PRINCE. HE,has and holds my heart,and i hold his,until he is finished working in Saudi Arabia,and i know,that deep within my HEARTand my SOUL,we will at last meet for the first time. You may want to tell me don't trust him. he is lieing,but, i somehow,know and feel, that he will come to me soon. I have faith in this man,...I am 46,..HE is 24.He knows alot more about women, and how they should be treated,then the 2 marriages that i have been through. I am from Canada.Sphinx? You are very wise. Other women may think i am really stupid...but, had they experienced,what i had with this man,they would not think so. Anyway,I put no one down,I love everyone ,for GOD loves me. You women are also right,in writing what you have experienced, lies,cheats,and smooth talkers,i've met some too,I know how you feel.Thank you for your time,if you have read this..........
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Re: What is the love for egyptian men?« Reply #7 on Sept 27, 2004, 11:07am »
Walkangel, I hope your guy is a good one, but the statistics hold otherwise. Most Egyptian men use women like toilet paper, and move on.In general, Muslims treat non-muslim women as prostitutes. They don't respect them as much.Egyptians are particularly skilled at fooling people. Some cross-cultural relationships with Egyptians turn out ok, but most do not. Best of luck to you,BG
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Re: What is the love for egyptian men?« Reply #8 on Oct 27, 2004, 9:35am »
Why is the reason we come here and post these messages??? It is because it seems that if you look the world over/and the men at other places, that the Egyptian men on the whole are worse than all the others! If you marry one (stupid enough to) even then they make your life miserable. It's always some story they give you about why they need money. I have a next door neighbor that married an Egyptian guy and he has done nothing but make her life miserable even though she is now back in the states! And I have other friends that have been chatting online with those gigalos and were lied to worse than you would be with American guys.. why we stupid women go chose those hell-bent men are beyond me!!! Are we so desperate or what??Yeah, they all use the same story lines.. as soon as you chat with them they love you, and then they counter attack this with.. trying daily to force you to come to them! Have you girls had any guys to tell you how easy it is for us to come to Egypt??? I mean, even though we may or may not be poor.. the airfare to Egypt is not cheap.. and for what???? To get our %^&*& burned?????
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Re: What is the love for egyptian men?« Reply #9 on Nov 1, 2004, 5:59am »
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respect their wife love their wife adore their wife admire their wife share happy moments with their wife.... ETCYes all this sounds fine and dandy, but as a man myself, I know when a con job is in place. The amount of good things that Mr Sphinx has listed is more reflective of a con job or sweet talk than anything really sincere. Don't kid yourself Mr. Sphinx... women can see right through it. A sincere respect for women manifests in a different manner and style than perfect wording. But it is hard for me to express this psychology.But women, you should give him some credit for at least saying such things. At least it's a first step. No?I am a Canadian Muslim male who lived and worked in Cairo for 5 years. In those years, I was rather shocked by the behavior of the men there. All I can sum up is: lack of maturity and self-control. Some of the things I experienced with Egyptian men: denial, blame, perversions, lying, cheating, anger, revenge, conspiracy, using religion to justify immature behavior, irresponsibility, mask painting, jealousy, and more.I never ONCE met an Egyptian man who could admit his mistakes and apologize for his errors. It was always blame whoever or whatever or come up with fancy justifications. In some cases, when pushed to the point of full exposure, anger and revenge would come into play. Even in the business sector I experienced these traits in one way or another. One time at one company I finally got so fed with poor decision of the manager that I finally had to confront him. And I did it in a gentle manner knowing full well the Egyptian male ego. Of course he couldn't admit his fault although everybody in the office knew he was at fault (see denial). I finally had to tell him that I decided to leave the company. Then he threatened to call the police on me saying I was an Israeli spy (see revenge, and conspiracy). I told him to go ahead and call whoever he wanted if he wanted because I didn't give a hoot. This angered him even more. Anyways, all because he could not accept criticism and someone point out his faults. Yet he was supposedly a "qualified business manager". All so childish.I was rather aghast at how many Egyptian men are so jealous towards their girlfriends or wives... preventing them from doing so much or wearing whatever... and using the Koran or religion to justify their behavior (which is a sin in my opinion). This was absolutely pathetic to witness. But it's not completely due to the actual man's fault in some cases. A lot of it has to do with cultural upbringing. For example, growing up in Canada, I am well used to my female friends having male friends. It is so normal. Friendships are friendships, there isn't always some hidden sexual nonsense going on. Don't forget that. So whenever I have dated a woman, I never felt jealous or the need to control her if she has guy friends. They are just her friends and a woman needs both her male and female friends in her life. That inner fear was never ingrained into me. And if I treated her properly, there is absolutely no fear in my mind or heart that she will cheat or be unfaithful. So why would I feel any need to prevent her from hanging out with her male friends?But I don't think Egyptian men have this learning experience when growing up. By suppressing the process of exposing and fixing of their own faults, it makes them feel insecure inside and thus jealous. By knowing the true nature of other Egyptian men, it adds more insecurity and thus even more jealousy. By having an inner mindset that is really built upon lust and perversion, it adds even more jealousy and desire to control the woman. Tell me state a truth that no man probably wants to admit. Wanting a wife who is a virgin has NOTHING to do with religion. It is about control, insecurity, and jealousy. And all women know this to be true.These Arab male mindsets also contribute to political problems. Always blaming such and such country for things is pretty immature and irresponsible. Instead, admitting ones own faults and correct them will actually produce results. Who cares if another country is doing wrong. That is their sin and problem. But it is a worse problem to sit only and dish out blame rather than take action to improve ones own situation through admission of error and correction. But then we get back to denial, blame, conspiracy, irresponsibility, revenge, etc. And laziness. Easier to just sit and blame. Very rare to admit error, correct mistakes, and take action. Even more rare to have compassion for other cultures and religions, but I won't even dare get into that.I wasn't surprised in the least how many Egyptian women wanted to date me when I was living in Cairo. I'm not trying to toot my own horn. But it's a sign that something is missing from the male culture in Egypt. Treating women with true respect, honor, and equality is very rare. Definitely there are some excellent relationships out there and some awesome guys. But I bet an element of control is always present.Well I admit I am generalizing a bit, but I think many of you get the jist of what I am saying. I find it very interesting that the meaning of Islam is Submission, yet submission is lacking so much in the Egyptian and Arab male personality. Submission in order to suppress the ego and admit ones mistakes and apologize for them without justification. Submission to having respect for women, animals, and the earth. Submission to control ones perversions and to suppress thoughts of anger and revenge. Etc.I am not sure if Egyptians knows this... but foreign female tourists can and might experience more sexually harassment in Egypt than they do in their own culture back home! Not everybody of course, but I have been told this a lot by foreign female tourists. Go figure... yet Egypt is supposed to be a "muslim" culture. The contradictions are strong. Funny thing is... everything I have said above applies to Egyptian men. I never experienced these qualities with Egyptian women. Never.I look forward to your comments and/or corrections.
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Re: What is the love for egyptian men?« Reply #10 on Jan 5, 2005, 7:18am »
Hi @all,this is my first topic in this forum and I am happy to meet you all here.first of all: I am German, so please excuse my bad English. I'll try to do my best and any help and corrections will be appreciated.I found your site from a link on another forum about egyptian gigolos in Germany. It is called egyptlive.org. So if anybody of you speaks German you're welcome to join our board.I myself, I am married to an egyptian man and I try to fight against Gigolos as much as I can because I hate it to have do defense myself always against people who try to call my husband also a Gigolo. Yes, egyptian man can love! And they can love so deeply and much more romantic and with much more passion than I have experienced this from any European.But, it's true, it's hard to find out if this love is true or just faked to make money out of it. And, in fact, there are thousands and thousand of egyptian men, who use the love of a woman to get money, sex and/or a visa to Europe.Thats why so many forums across Europe were started, to give warnings to any woman who come for holiday to Egypt. You will find warning boards in Russia, Germany, France, UK and Italy with everytime the same sad stories. I don't know how it is in UK. In Germany the founders of two forums were allready so succesfull, that they were invited to some TV-Shows to talk about their story and their experiences. The German Embassy has much information about the whole problem and is trying to prevent more cases.Maybe we should try to connect all these forums accross Europe somehow to make this problem in Egypt more and more public. This is the only way to make the egyptian government see, that they can not hide this problem anymore. We all should fight together, that a small percentage of the egyptian people damage the image of a whole country.

L'INDIZIO

The Clues - Part 1« Reply #3 on Nov 1, 2004, 9:46am »
Opelmoon,I think you need to prepare yourself with some clues and things to watch out for. Probably you can add to this list below. I look forward to any Egyptian women adding some comments. I had to make this in few postings as there is a character limit per post.Signs to watch out for with Egyptian men

1) Too quick to impress you with his career, status, or with name dropping. All men feel the need to impress as a part of flirting. This is normal. But the speed and immediateness of it can be a clue that he is not being completely honest or cannot maintain patience and calmness of his ego. And remember, quirks of the ego early on are often signs of bad things to come.

2) Too quick to use all sorts of charm wording and sweet-talk. Basically what he is doing is trying to impress you too fast. It might not be anything bad, just him really trying hard. But a more mature and level-headed man who has self-control feels less the need to impress with words as they know that actions over time are more important. Sweet-talking too quickly, meaning at the beginning of a relationship, is more about bait, trickery, and trying to lure you in. Normal chatting and discussion in a non sweet-talk mode is more reflective of maturity and someone really wanting to get to know you. Too much sweet-talk wording is a clear sign to me that he is wanting to con you. Because if he doesn’t have that manipulative intention in his mind, then he simply doesn’t have that huge need to impress so much.

3) Is he giving you the time to speak fully to share your ideas, thoughts, opinions? Is he following up with more questions? Or is he just interrupting and putting the topic back onto himself and back onto his opinion? Patience, silence, and withdrawal are all good signs to look out for in a man.

4) If you and him are of a different religion, is he trying to get you to convert to his religion only? Has he offered to change his religion to yours? Is he willing to be more adaptive and allow both you and him to have separate religions? If this later, then that is a real good sign. Who cares if he says ‘what is the family going to think’ and such. A man who is willing to support your beliefs and respect your religion is great sign. Doesn’t mean it has to end up with you and him having a separate religion, but his responses to this issue are clues that give insight into his personality.

5) Is this man always presenting himself as 100% perfect during the initial meeting stages? Is his behavior perfect, is his wording and charm perfect, is he giving you ideas and thoughts that are always perfect? Perfection so early is usually a sign of a fraudulent person; someone who is covering up faults . When a man reveals some faults quickly, that is a good thing. Even though the faults might be bothersome to you, at least that is feedback into his true nature. Covering up everything with a guise of perfection means ultimately you have to spend more time and energy into peeling away these layers to determine if he is a truly good man. Besides, a 100% perfect mask is simply a sign of a man who may have things he is covering up, or is insecure (which might be a sign that control will manifest later), or he believes that starting a relationship based on deception is healthy. Too good to be true, might be a good thing to keep in mind. I know women want Prince Charming. But if he is too good too fast right at the start… just keep your eyes open for nobody is perfect and question why he is wanting to present himself ONLY as perfect.

6) Can you verify anything he is saying about himself? You need to try to find verification of stuff. You need to try and communicate with one of his friends, family members, or colleagues, not to probe and ask questions, but rather just to see if he is the same sort of guy that they know. If he is conveniently avoiding you meeting or knowing anybody in his life, that is a bad sign. If you “accidentally” spoke with a friend or family member, and he responds with anger, that is a bad sign too. If he travels a lot and tells you a time his flight leaves, call the airport and see if there is an actual flight. I don’t know. Examples are hard to give. Just try to verify some things to at least determine if he is being honest at the start with stuff. But try to keep this hidden. You don’t want him mistrusting you completely.

7) Is he wanting to know too much on what you are doing throughout the day? Is he wanting too much to know where you go and who were with and who you spoke to, etc? Know what I mean? Him asking you in general “so what did you do today?” is harmless and healthy. But wanting too many details could be showing you a sign of his inner desire to control, and his inner jealousy. This probably won’t happen so much at the start, but you want to be aware of this as time goes on. Guys who want minute-by-minute itineraries are often not really caring about what you did. They just want to get to the real jist of the purpose… to see or know if you spoke with any other men.

8) Does he ask too many questions about your male friends and or ex-boyfriends? This is especially important at the start of a relationship. Curiosity is normal. And it’s a good sign if a man is able to ask about old boyfriends and such. But be aware if he crosses the line from curiosity questions to that of jealousy questions. Jealousy can manifest by obsessive thoughts. Like for example if you are just friends with some guy and you have told your boyfriend the wording “I am just only friends with so-and-so”, but your boyfriend still sorts of provokes the idea/question that there might be more going on… that is a clear sign that he is jealous and has the potential to want to control. For he is not listening to you, but making assumptions in his own mind despite what you say. Plus he is starting to obsess, which is can lead to control problems. And observe the style of questions he asks about your male friends or ex-boyfriends. Is he truly wanting to know about them as a person? Or he is only wanting to know about things like break-up, intimacy you had with them, etc.

9) Has he asked you to stop seeing some or all of your friends? Don’t fall for this nonsense. I know this is a common request that men make towards women in Egypt. It is one of the worst signs of a control freak. No matter how he justifies it. Putting it on religion, his culture, whatever. It’s pure jealousy and control. Bas!!

10) Is he letting you meet and know his own friends? If not, then he is starting to keep a leash on you. He is showing signs of control and domination. In a normal relationship… you should be getting to know his friends like everybody going out to eat something together. Of course, when first dating, the couple usually desires to spend all their time alone. But it’s a good and healthy sign if he introduces you to his friends soon. Don’t fall for the typical excuse of ‘we have to keep this secret’. Friends are all playing the same cultural game. The truth is, his buddy isn’t going to tell anybody. So it should be safe for everybody to all to go out every once in a while for a group lunch or dinner. It’s important you see your guy with his friends… to see how he behaves, and to truly see if he wants to control you or really wants to integrate you into his life and for you to be free to interact with his friends.

11) Sex talk too fast and too quickly at the start of a relationship. Is he getting into sexual topics and conversation too fast and too quickly after you first meet the guy? Warning sign!!! I don’t even need to explain this one. Initial flirting is much different than getting into topics about sex. Flirting is a subtle interaction based on attraction and appeal, but manifests discreetly. This is healthy and fun. But if the guy wants to start going into conversations about sex yet you’ve only just met him, or he wants to get into sex chat on the computer although you’ve only known him a week, etc…. this is a major sign of his true inner motives. Does he have self-control? This is a question you should be asking yourself? Is he respectful of your intimate privacy because he only just met you? This is another question you should be asking yourself.

12) Can he admit his mistakes and apologize without excuses and justifications? If not, you are going to have ego problems to deal with later.

13) Does he try to make you feel bad in order to make you feel guilty? Like if he knows you are busy with something for a few days, does he suddenly come down with a flu or cold just to make you feel guilty for not talking to him? Be aware and alert for any sort of mind games, for these mind games will just get worse later. And it reveals that he cannot be open and honest but instead has to play games in order to literally control your emotions.

14) Does he make fun of you or poke fun of you too much in an attempt to flirt? Making fun of each other gently is actually fun and flirtatious, but it just has to be harmless and very infrequent. If he does it too much or too often and it starts to annoy you, then he it is not being playful but instead starting to insult and be domineering. This is the type of guy who makes fun of you in front of people, thinking he is being sweet, but really it embarrasses you. Also, are you able to playfully make fun of him? Or is he overly sensitive and gets angry too fast?

15) Does he try to control what you are wearing? Either by comments, suggestions, justifications, etc? If so, this is a sign of control and jealousy. And nothing to do with religion. The pure truth is…. he doesn’t want other men to notice you because he fears that these men will flirt with you and that you will like the flirting and respond back to the men in a positive manner. That’s what it’s all about when you get down to it.

16) Does he justify a lot of his behavior on the Koran or his religion? Justifying too much can often be a sign that he is really hiding his true faults and always coming up with religious excuses to justify things.

17) Is he able to not speak with you for a few days? Is he able to let go and let you have your own life, or does he need to always check up on you or want you to check in with him? Giving you freedom and space is so important and is a sign of non-control.

18) Be careful of fancy trick verbage. “I am just jealous because I love you” and such. Learn to read between the lines. While his words might say something, they might be more revealing of something else.

19) Is he obsessed with ensuring you are a virgin? This is one of the worst obsessions, control, and jealousy issues. As a man myself, I know that inner feeling… we want to feel like we are the first person with this woman. But logically and mentally, it is wrong to push it on her and refuse to be with her if she has been with other men. It is normal to feel jealous and insecure. It is how this insecurity manifests and how we deal with it that is more important. And since I might have been with other women before, it is unethical to demand that she should not have been with other men before. When it comes down to things, a mature and intelligent man will see the importance of a woman having prior intimate experiences. If a man is truly experienced himself… trust me, he will want an experienced woman and NOT a virgin. Besides, men should deal with their insecurities by facing their faults and correcting them, not by finding someone who is at a lesser level of experience with the hopes that she won’t be able to figure out his faults.I guess I could come up with more signs to look out for if I gave it more thought. In my opinion… keep on guard for the following: signs of controlsigns of denial/blamesigns of inability to admit error and aplogizesigns of jealousysigns of justifications/excusessigns of trickery and liessigns of anger/revengeWith these clues in mind, I would suggest the most important steps of all: Put him to the test! Start testing this man. When you test him, monitor carefully his responses, reactions, etc. Here’s some examples:

1) Gently disagree with him on something you disagree on. Speak up for yourself. Make it up if needed. See how he reacts. Is he open to your opinion and can he let your opinion remain yours? Or does he feel the need to convince you so much? Does he push the disagreement into a mild fight or debate? Does he start to get angry? Does he hold grudges if you disagree with him and his personality goes weird for a few days?

2) Go out with your friends, including male ones, and be sure he knows about it before hand. Does he say “ok, have a good time”? Or does he start to get weird on you? Does he try to play games and come up with reasons why you need to get back early to call him? Or does he say “ok, call me later when you are done”. Does he want a minute by minute intinerary when you return? Does he ask you about your friends as in how are they, what are they up to, what’s new, etc? Or is he mostly interested about who you were with and where you went and what you did, etc? Most of all, be sure you test his reaction on you going out with a male friend. Does he just want to know if there are other people with you? This is a sign of control and jealousy. When you return hom, is he suddenly unavailable (eg ignoring you) when you return home? This is a sign of jealousy. He cannot submit to his insecuries and fears what you may tell him. So he avoids talking with you.

3) Give him a surprise call at work to ask him a couple quick questions. Does he get angry or start acting weird? If so, then he is hiding something. If you just started the relationship and don’t have his work number… ask him for it. Tell him it’s incase of an emergency or something. If he gives it to you without delay, he is not playing games. He he comes up with excuses such as “I cannot accept personal calls at work”… well this is nonsense. Yes it’s true that nobody at work in any country is supposed to be accepting personal calls at work. But it happens, and it’s normal, and in general we all know it’s no big thing if it happens occassionally. Even bosses know this. But if he really refuses to give you his number or gets mad if you surprised him by calling him at work, these are clues that he is hiding something.
The Clues - Part 3« Reply #5 on Nov 1, 2004, 9:48am »
4) More surprises!! If you are in communication with his family a little, or know his friends just a little, or know he is away from home… call them sometime. Perhaps even the excuse that you pushed the wrong number on the phone then chat briefly with his family or friend. Then tell him later that you accidentially called so and so. If he gets weird, then you know he might have a tendency to freak out when he feels out of control. This might not be the best surprise idea, but try to think of something yourself. The point is to catch him out of his control/comfort zone and see how he deals with it.

5) Get into a verbal strong fight every once in a while to see how much he can be provoked. Go easy on him though. Don’t mess with his mind too much. Just see if he flips out real fast or is able to maintain calm and control and compassion. Carefully monitor his reaction. Is he being compassionate to your opinon or just squashing your opinion? Does he start swearing and raising his voice? Or can he get angry at you more maturely in a calm and decent manner? If in person, does he try to grab you strong or does he change his body language to look more aggressive? These are signs. Problems and fights do happen in a relationship. This is normal and often healthy. But you want to determine if he is going to go way beyond the norm. Also, study his reactions afterwards. Can he forgive and let go? Or does he remain mad for a long time. Does he try days later make you feel guilty whereby wanting YOU to apologize or see his opinion? Does he ignore you? These are signs of him wanting to emotionally hurt you for exposing his faults or for challenging him. Also known as subtle forms of revenge.

6) Test his jealousy levels. Remember, a guy who is fiercely jealous is a guy who is control freak and who is terribly insecure. This is not a sign of love or him being so deeeply in love with you. If he is truly in love with you, the more he should respects your freedom, and the more he trusts you! Strict jealousy and control has nothing to do with love. So if you are out somewhere with him like at a restaurant, perhaps ask the male waiter an extra question too much. Or share a quick laugh with a male stranger; like crack a joke to a male stranger who is standing in line with you and your guy, or something. I am not meaning flirt with another guy. Just be friendly to another male infront of your guy. Ask a question, or do something funny, or laugh at some other man’s joke. Whatever, giving your attention momentarily and innocently to another man…. just to see how your boyfriend reacts. Can your guy get over the ‘she is giving attention to another guy’ feeling? Or can your dude laugh along or join in with the conversation? Does your guy make an issue of it later? Etc.

7) Make your guy own up to a mistakes and apologize. Determine if him giving apology is going to be a huge ordeal and nightmare for you, or if he is willing to admit his mistake and say sorry without too much delay. If he hurts your feelings or says something that really hurts you, demand an apology right away. See how he responses to your display of power over him. Is he able to submit and be compassionate to your feelings, or does he simply feel the need to raise up higher and in more control?I guess there are lots of other ways to test men. But go easy on us!!! We’re not perfect and some of us are trying real hard. Some of you women aren’t perfect also and are full of quirks and problems. Also, don’t scare him away. Initial problems/issues he might have might be just that… initial problems. Men can be trained!Mostly, you just want to understand an overall personality. And test in stages… at the beginning of a relationship, after a few weeks, and especially important… after a few months when his habits are starting to firmly form. The point is... find those clues. Signs of control, quick to anger, and jealousy are major issues you need to find out quickly. You won't see them manifest right away fully of course. But if these aspects are present within the personality of that guy, he will give away clues. The idea is to spot the clues first so you can determine if this guy is potential bad news later. And if you ignore the signs and clues, well later you are definately going to have a huge problem on your hands. For his jealousy and control is only going to get worse, and especially after you marry him.The best piece of advice I can give….. don’t lower your standards too much. If you are going to spend the rest of your life with a guy, be sure he fulfills you romantically, mentally, spiritually, and physically. Keep looking for that guy if the current one is not it! There are good guys out there who are not control freaks.Also, be aware of the advantages that the Egyptian man has for masking or covering up his true darker personality simply by living in Egypt. Some of the behavoir an Egyptian man does in Egypt he would never be able to get away with in another culture or in another country. Be aware that he might use his Egyptian culture and Muslim religion to his darker selfish advantage. For example, as mentioned before, it is often normal in Egypt for a man to tell or ask his girlfriend not to see any friends and such when dating. But overseas, he would never be able ask such nonsense. In Egypt, it is somewhat taboo for a male and female friend to hang out together if not with a group of people. Some men play into this and tell the women that she should not and cannot be talk with another man alone and then justifies it with religion He can get away with this request. But if he was in Europe or Canada, or wherever… the woman would be less likely to put up with this nonsense. Another example which is very important… in Egypt, of course, dating before marriage is very frowned upon. Thus couples have to often keep their relationship secret and private from family and friends. Well this works out perfectly for the man who is cheating on his wife with a girlfriend on the side! Because they have to meet in private and such… the girlfriend may never know that the man really has a wife. She just thinks that because of family (parents) and friends, they have to keep the relationship secret. This is one of the best example of how a man uses his own culture to his darker advantage. Another example, controlling how a woman dresses and justifying it with religion. In a strong religious culture, you can get away with it and all it seems so justified. But in another culture, his controlling jealous side will be exposed! Egyptian men can and do use their own cultural restrictions to their advantage in order to manipulate or control woman. If you are finding a lot of these cultural justifications are coming up in his excuses to you, he might be just trying to manipulate you by making you think ‘this is the norm here and this is what we have to do’ rather than to think ‘he is flawed and has some major control issues’.I would like to mention one more thing... if you break up from an Egyptian man, just do it. Don't give him any room to weasel back, try to sweet-talk you, etc. Cut the strings completely, don't accept his calls which will go on for weeks, and deal with your emotional losses on your own. And be very alert for signs of revenge. It is doubtful he will hurt you, but he certainly might try to spread rumours about you. For if you break up out of anger, he might not be able to handle that level of control and power coming from you. Just be careful, and be smart, and see the support and help from your friends. The best thing.... spot the signs and clues before you even get fully involved with the man. The more women start standing up and demand that Egyptian men grow up, the quicker the men are going to be forced into submission and start respecting women. They are simply so bad these days because they know they can get away with it.Have you ever thought why Arab men hate or criticize western culture so much? Nothing to do with religion. Nothing to do with politics. It has to do with fear and insecurity towards their woman gaining more power, gaining more rights, and gaining more strength. Control over women, or specifically... control over a woman's body... is what I feel it all boils down to, but this is just my personal observation. But it's a baseless fear; fear without reason. For once a man experiences the stunning rewards of treating their women with ultimate respect and equality, they will realize that true male power doesn't come from control or repression over women. True male power comes from how men treat others, how men treat women, how men treat children, how men treat animals, and how men treat the planet. For ultimately, how men treat all life on this earth is how a man treats God. Since it is God who made all things and beings, and it is God who has given us this life. Too bad most men out there insult and disrepect God so much by treating one of His most stunning creations - the human female - with such disregard, disarray, and delinquency. Any man who tries to control women, or worse - emotionally and physically abuses them - well these men are pathetic and not religious whatsoever. Keep this in mind when you meet your next "muslim" man.Amir
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